By Rajneesh
Here is the whole chat, if you missed it. It was really fun and this was the first conference that we organized. The chat took place on July 13, 2010 via yahoo.
rajneeshtimes: Welcome to all
rajneeshtimes: thank u so much for accepting the invitation
love_arte: Good evening!
rajneeshtimes: and taking part in the conference
lpbastola2004: Good evening everyone
samiya789: it's our pleasure
rajneeshtimes: Could we introduce ourselves, one sentence, what we are doing?
rajneeshtimes: My name is rajneesh, i am a television journalist, and currently working in a tv station in nepal,
rajneeshtimes: i am intereted in media research and also want to discuss more on freedom of press
lpbastola2004: of course, I am LP Bastola. I am a teacher and social worker by proffession.
love_arte: My name is Dina, I'm a lecturer in the field of Media Studies in Yogyakarta, Indonesia
samiya789: I am srijana sharma and student of management
lpbastola2004: I have keen interest in media and freedom of press
samiya789: Though i don't know much more about media but i was and still very much interested towards this to know more about it
lpbastola2004: Thank you Rajneesh , once again for coordinating this conference
rajneeshtimes: one of participant is asking for some steps to be in
rajneeshtimes: i am on that
samiya789: ok
rajneeshtimes: dina could u please brief us about today;s topic
rajneeshtimes: why it is important
love_arte: ok..
love_arte: I think its mportant for all of us to know (based on their experiences) why we have to discuss this topic
love_arte: for me, the topic of freedom of the press is important for the open society and for democracy building.
lpbastola2004: this topic is very much necessary for all human to express their fundamental rights
lpbastola2004: it is not only needed for people involved in media but it is very much necessary for all the public to know
rajneeshtimes: bascially in nepal
rajneeshtimes: the condition is not that well
love_arte: may I ask to lpbastola?
lpbastola2004: pls ask
love_arte: or should I wait for Samiya first to share her ideas? Samiya, please
samiya789: i didn't get it clearly
love_arte: Samiya, do you need a kind of explanation or clarification?
lpbastola2004: it seems so
lpbastola2004: Samiya is quite unclear about the topic of discussion
love_arte: anybody wants to help Samiya? Rajneesh?
rajneeshtimes: yes
rajneeshtimes: sure
rajneeshtimes: we can continue
rajneeshtimes: with the discussion
rajneeshtimes: i will brief samiya
lpbastola2004: lets proceed ahead
rajneeshtimes: simultaniously
lpbastola2004: she will know it from the discussion
love_arte: ok then
lpbastola2004: pls Dina ur question
love_arte: I will continue to ask lpbastola
love_arte: you said that the FOTP (freedom of the press) is not only about the neededf or people involved in media but it is very much necessary for all the public to know
rajneeshtimes: Notince: three participants from nepal said, there is loadshedding and they take part in it
lpbastola2004: yes
love_arte: what do you mean with the last phrase: all the public to know.. does it have relation with the right people to know?
lpbastola2004:
love_arte: ?
love_arte: I cant read your words..
lpbastola2004: yes , there are many people in the developing countries like ours not knowing about the freedom of press, even if they knw it they dont get chance to express
lpbastola2004: knowingly or unknowingly they are deprived of freedom of press
lpbastola2004: whatever they want to express cant be reached up to the general public
lpbastola2004: this means alll the public who are aware of press freedom can express thoru one way or the otehr
love_arte: ahh... I see.. maybe after this, we must define.. "what is freedom of the press" and "what kind topics/matters the media could say related to the freedpm of the press"
lpbastola2004: are you convince wiht my explanation Dina?
love_arte: no
love_arte: not at all
love_arte: but
lpbastola2004: pls tell where ur not convince
rajneeshtimes: Notice:one participant from UK just installed yahoo and is waiting patiently to join the conferance
love_arte: :D
love_arte: back to lpbastola, sorry
lpbastola2004: lets welcome some more participants
lpbastola2004: welcome Dina
love_arte: for some people who live under the repressive situation, freedom of the press become a sweet dream
rajneeshtimes: welcome yelisha
yelishasharma: thanks rajneeh
rajneeshtimes: can u read what we are discussing
yelishasharma: yes
lpbastola2004: dina, how has it become sweet dream?
lpbastola2004: welcome yelishasharma
yelishasharma: thank u
rajneeshtimes: ok great
love_arte: but if you are already live in the democratic situation you will get other meaning of the press freedom
yelishasharma: are u getting my messages twice
love_arte: yes
love_arte: just read. sorry
yelishasharma: im just tying once but its like being repeated i wonder why
love_arte: once in Indonesia we were under repressive situation in the Suharto's regime
love_arte: Press was under control and scrutiny by government
lpbastola2004: the problem is most of the people are still in repressive particularly the media person in Terai region of Nepal
lpbastola2004: Dina the situtation of censorship to media was here too, in nepal
love_arte: mostly the people in the government ruled my the army and one biggest political party, GOLKAR
love_arte: yes. I know
lpbastola2004: i heard about the situation during the reime of Suharto
love_arte: the recent situation at Nepal similar with Indonesia before 1998
yelishasharma: when i see the freedom of the press here in the UK and the credibility associated with it ..its simply amazing i feel freedom is important so that the press can be credible otherwise it is always associated with some faction or the other
rajneeshtimes: i am back
yelishasharma: ok
lpbastola2004: i dont have much knowledge about Indonesia but in west African countries like Sieera LEone, Zambia, Namibia they have very critical situation of press
love_arte: Indonesia has only been enjoying the freedom of press in recent years, after changing the administration in 1998. At the beginning of the new era, many press freedom promoters agreed to create a new Press Law that would be friendlier to the idea of press freedom.
rajneeshtimes: @Dina, could u please brief what was the situation like
love_arte: after 1998?
love_arte: or before?
lpbastola2004: waiting for Dina's b riefing
rajneeshtimes: specially about the press, what kind if regulation, censorship before
lpbastola2004: both comparative I suppose
love_arte: OMG
love_arte: its very long explanation!
love_arte: well.. why dont you ask our friend as new participant?
lpbastola2004: well, it is good to ask other
lpbastola2004: let me ask something to yelishasharma
yelishasharma: yes sure
lpbastola2004: yelisha was talking about the reedom of press in Uk, what type of regulatory boards are there to give such freedom?
lpbastola2004: we are only four now
yelishasharma: well im not a journalist here but im saying from the perspective of an audience
rajneeshtimes: samiya told me that her mother is sick and she has to look after her
love_arte: its ok
love_arte: no problem
yelishasharma: a lot of credibility is associated with press here
lpbastola2004: ok no problem
yelishasharma: so i think it is beacuse of freedom of the press i think UK has 27th rank in the world
lpbastola2004: o k, can all the general public express themselves though media
lpbastola2004: i mean in the Uk
yelishasharma: in terms of freedom
lpbastola2004: we are only four
yelishasharma: so i think freedom is very imp to have credibility among the audience
lpbastola2004: it would be interesting if we were more
yelishasharma: haha
rajneeshtimes: other are coming
love_arte: :)
rajneeshtimes: might be
lpbastola2004: that meands u trust the media there
yelishasharma: yes ppl do
yelishasharma: whtever is in news is like ppl take it
yelishasharma: but back home that is not the case
love_arte: one important point: trust to the media
lpbastola2004: are you keeping you in centre in this thesis, yelisha?
rajneeshtimes: but in Nepal u know the trend is chaging
lpbastola2004: i agree wiht Rajness
lpbastola2004: it has been drastically changing
rajneeshtimes: Last time two newspapers reported on the same issue differently
yelishasharma: the media is generally associated with one or the other faction
lpbastola2004: no one can escape from media now
love_arte: tell me Rajneesh... changing like what?
rajneeshtimes: The first Newspaper: Crime incresing during worldcup in kathmandy
love_arte: are the people depending with the media? especially with TV?
rajneeshtimes: the other: crime rate decreasing
rajneeshtimes: the news was published on the very same day
love_arte: its also happened here
rajneeshtimes: and one was saying because of worldcup crime rate is decreasing and the other said it is decreasing
rajneeshtimes: @Dina tell me more
lpbastola2004: but the fact was the crime increased, if we had to be in middle path
love_arte: its also happened here about the news was published on the very same day..
yelishasharma: im saying abt the facts as in concrete political facts when it comes to that i think there is less credibility
lpbastola2004: of course it is yelisha
love_arte: yes Yelisha that's true
lpbastola2004: these days media all over the world is inclined towards one or the otehr political party
yelishasharma: so freedom is needed to have the impact
love_arte: what kind of freedom people is needed, Yelisha?
yelishasharma: yes thats also true
lpbastola2004: press does not mean simply writing what the reporter feels it should be totally based on the concrete reality
yelishasharma: yes
yelishasharma: i agree IP
lpbastola2004: thank you
love_arte: Yelisha, would you tell me more
yelishasharma: the life here is i think totally dependent on media ...and ppl believe in it
lpbastola2004: Can i ask one question to Dina? it is related to the reports of media in Indonesia
love_arte: yes sure
love_arte: plz
love_arte: ??
lpbastola2004: why there is reservation in writing about the religious vulgarity of Muslim there? when it is a case of Cristian it is slighly free
lpbastola2004: reporters feel quite reluctant about writing the evils of hindu religon
lpbastola2004: it is more harsh in the case of Muslim
yelishasharma: thats true
lpbastola2004: Rajnees, where are you lost?
love_arte: :D
yelishasharma: haha
love_arte: that's need a long explanation also
love_arte: but let me tell you
rajneeshtimes: i m reading the converstation
lpbastola2004: it is but what do u think if you have to tell in one sentence Dina?
rajneeshtimes: and supporting who want to join the conferance
rajneeshtimes: and telling them the process
rajneeshtimes: they seem to be lost
lpbastola2004: invite more people it must be fruitful
lpbastola2004: the more we are the more interesting it is
rajneeshtimes: let's move ahead, it;s going perfeclty and it;s interesting
love_arte: actually Indonesia consist of pluralistic situation: many islands, religions and beliefs, cultures
lpbastola2004: yep it is
lpbastola2004: but there are mostly Muslims i suppose
love_arte: but since in the middle of 80's
yelishasharma: yes dina im eager
rajneeshtimes: Just got the light yahooooooooooooooooo
love_arte: after a big muslim organization, ICMI was founded by many muslim scholars and most of them took place in the government...
dkdipak: Are we all from Nepal'
yelishasharma: noo
lpbastola2004: but stilll we find the govt is rigid towards religous freedom and scientiifc explanation of religous facts
love_arte: the situation was changed slowly but sure
rajneeshtimes: Deepak is our new participant
lpbastola2004: welcome Deepak
yelishasharma: welcome deepak
lpbastola2004: Could u pls introduce Deepak?
love_arte: welcome Deepak. I'm not a Nepali. I'm Indonesian
love_arte: the political situation was changed by people in the government under the big islamic influence
dkdipak: Hey guys I am Deepak From University of Arkansas, Jonesboro
rajneeshtimes: OK
yelishasharma: ok
lpbastola2004: @ Dinakita dapat menggunakan bahasa Inggris sebagai media ekspresi
lpbastola2004: i mean we can use ENglish as the medium of expression
love_arte: =))
rajneeshtimes: what does that mean?
rajneeshtimes: OMG
dkdipak: I jus completed a small interview based report on the condition of journalist in Nepal after CA election
lpbastola2004: our ligua franca can be English
love_arte: haha! you speak in my language
yelishasharma: haha
lpbastola2004: just trying
love_arte: good! right!
yelishasharma: hmmm
yelishasharma: good
lpbastola2004: is it correct , Dina?
love_arte: yup
love_arte: Deepak, are you going?
lpbastola2004: why deepak left immediately?
lpbastola2004: thanks
yelishasharma: hey u just came
rajneeshtimes: he had some problem with the connection
yelishasharma: ok
lpbastola2004: it is a common problem
dkdipak: ohh guys sorry I am back
love_arte: I'm interested wit what Deepak said about small interview based report on the condition of journalist in Nepal after CA election
lpbastola2004: welcome back Deepak
lpbastola2004: i am also curious to hear about it
dkdipak: I am really eager to know what is the present condition of the press freedom over there...
dkdipak: Are you guys talking..about the ethical freedom or the ownership and editorial freedom too..
love_arte: tell us more about what you got from the small interview
lpbastola2004: even developed countries like France and Germany lack freedom of press, we cant expect immediate change in developing and corrupted countries like ours( i mean Nepal, Phillipines, Indonesia, Bangladesh, etc)
rajneeshtimes: we have got two new participaants: amit and deepa
yelishasharma: we r just talking abt all kinds of freedom
deepaexcel5: hi everyone
deepaexcel5: oh ok
lpbastola2004: but still there have been many changes and liberation in writing in press due to the development of internet and freelancing
dkdipak: hey Amit and Deepa.. welcome for the discussion
love_arte: hi Deepa. Welcome!
lpbastola2004: Wecome all the new participants
love_arte: hi Amit. Welcome
lpbastola2004: lets welcome and hear the new participants
deepaexcel5: thanks!
mitmeya: in what toppic is the discussion now ?
mitmeya: sorry for the dealy
mitmeya: delay
lpbastola2004: but all must introduce before they open their words
lpbastola2004: it is all about press freeom in globe
rajneeshtimes: we are discussing about freedom of press in different countries
rajneeshtimes: and we are sharing our experiane
rajneeshtimes: and can we move forward
rajneeshtimes: Dina could u share some of the things that u reseached
rajneeshtimes: researched
lpbastola2004: come on freinds, share your experience paritcularly thse who are working wiht media
love_arte: not from my research, actually
rajneeshtimes: i mean online research
rajneeshtimes: :)
love_arte: wait..
lpbastola2004: our conference started 19 minutes ago........
mitmeya: ok
lpbastola2004: i am changing the color
yelishasharma: hmm
lpbastola2004: does it look unique?
love_arte: http://www.freemedia.at/singleview/4202/
love_arte: chek this one
rajneeshtimes: thank u
rajneeshtimes: it looks nice
rajneeshtimes: is it about nepal.
mitmeya: in the context of south asia, in which position is the nepali press freedom lies ???
mitmeya: can we know ??
love_arte: http://www.freedomhouse.org/uploads/fop/2009/FreedomofthePress2009_tables.pdf
love_arte: yes, you check through http://en.rsf.org/
rajneeshtimes: wow great
rajneeshtimes: thank u so much
yelishasharma: this seems useful
rajneeshtimes: very much
love_arte: http://www.freemedia.at/archives/singleview/1353/
lpbastola2004: it is very interesting
lpbastola2004: i am reading the Fizian problem
mitmeya: useful link
deepaexcel5: Sorry but this link not working at my pc ...... http://www.freedomhouse.org/uploads/fop/2009/FreedomofthePress2009_tables.pdf
rajneeshtimes: The timimg of the conferance is 7-8
lpbastola2004: really useful for knowing about the prolems of freedom of press
lpbastola2004: it has passed 8
rajneeshtimes: What do you say, how should we move ahead, are u all free?
mitmeya: yaa
mitmeya: we can move ahead
rajneeshtimes: let's listen from others
love_arte: http://www.freemedia.at/archives/singleview/ THIS IS AWESOME!!
lpbastola2004: i i support mitmiya
mitmeya: some guys has joined later
rajneeshtimes: ya
dkdipak: I have time for 30-35 minutes during that that time probably i can learn more things related
dkdipak: to press freedom
love_arte: I must go unfortunately
mitmeya: i also have 30 minute
lpbastola2004: yea we need to share wiht new comers
rajneeshtimes: sure
love_arte: thank you for allow me to join with this group, Rajnees!
love_arte: must go by now
lpbastola2004: Dina, we'll look forward to hearing from you about the novel researches about the press freedom indonesia
mitmeya: one question to all journalist ....r bloggers can be defined as journalist ???
lpbastola2004: i mean in Indonesia
mitmeya: sorry if the question is out of point
rajneeshtimes: bloggers and journalists are difference
love_arte: lpbastola, I will find some links and you can read them.. :D
lpbastola2004: i was also wondering about this question
rajneeshtimes: different
mitmeya: but some r actively participating like journalist
lpbastola2004: we are only boggers if we use blogs to express ourself
lpbastola2004: i am not a journalist
mitmeya: online news ....r eg of bloggers trying to present the journalism through their perspective
lpbastola2004: s
lpbastola2004: freedom of expression has come wiht the use of blogs in recent year
mitmeya: n i think they r spreading the news fastly than the journalist themselves
mitmeya: may be i am wrong
rajneeshtimes: it's a great topic of dicussion
mitmeya: n in the case of freedom to write, they r totally free...
rajneeshtimes: but bloggers and journalists are different
love_arte: I must go..thanks for the participation from all of us!
love_arte: byeeeee!!!
rajneeshtimes: thank u so much for dina
mitmeya: so can write more openly than the journalist
rajneeshtimes: thank u so much for the links
rajneeshtimes: your time, your effort
love_arte: :-* for all of you from Indonesia!
dkdipak: Ya ... but that may have negative impact on information too
dkdipak: did u have ever think about that prespective..
mitmeya: how negative impact ?
dkdipak: Like.. there may be false information and the incomplete information, Propaganda news
lpbastola2004: bloggers they simply give the fact in the blogs but media persons they have to face the editorial team
mitmeya: some bloggers know the issue more deptly than the others
mitmeya: like mysansar
dkdipak: such things may make worst.. you know information power....
lpbastola2004: only the responsible bloggers are good
rajneeshtimes: I agree with LP
dkdipak: I agree that responsible bloggers are good
dkdipak: and we can cite them too..
mitmeya: yaa...i am also saying some bloggers
mitmeya: not all the bloggers
lpbastola2004: but there is no parameter for measuring the real fact unless it is researched
lpbastola2004: bloggers are persons and there is no intimidation
mitmeya: one of the great thing of blog is that in the case of freedom, they are totally free
lpbastola2004: bolggers may be fake
rajneeshtimes: but there are some rules for bloggers do you know amit
mitmeya: so can convey the information without any edit
lpbastola2004: so they want to take revenge or something worse upon other
mitmeya: yaa...some rules have to be made
dkdipak: oh really what are the rules for the bloggers
dkdipak: can i know that
mitmeya: rules can make the blogger in their responsibility
rajneeshtimes: sure i will send u
mitmeya: me too
mitmeya: plz
dkdipak: rules or ethics
lpbastola2004: pls send it to me as well
lpbastola2004: i am absent for a while, in im fone
mitmeya: don't u think with blogging , we can share the message as it is without any edit ???
deepaexcel5: Hhumm..... we are talking about freedom of press..... freedom is freedom either its Press ya Bloggers..... if someone not posting political issue at blog its doesn’t mean they are careless.
rajneeshtimes: OK
rajneeshtimes: they are basically ethics
mitmeya: yaa deepa
dkdipak: but they must be sincere and follow some ethics... because all of the information maybe dangerous
deepaexcel5: agree
dkdipak: related to the religion and soverginety
mitmeya: me also agree
dkdipak: and what do you think that does In Nepal bloggers are following the ethics sincerely
deepaexcel5: :)
mitmeya: some
mitmeya: not all
mitmeya: so for that rules have to be made
rajneeshtimes: there are some anonymous blogging as well
dkdipak: Ya if the rules and code of conduts are made for the bloggers will be that against the case of freedom...
mitmeya: one major drawback of blogging is that they don't have identification, and with the help of that drawback they can reveal the truth ......finely
deepaexcel5: agree with DK
mitmeya: which is a great poing
mitmeya: point
dkdipak: ok guys I want to know in case of Nepal, What is blog freedom? what are its limitation?
mitmeya: till now there is no limitation
mitmeya: as i know
mitmeya: it's all about his own ethics
mitmeya: blogs r totally free to share information and things
deepaexcel5: rules and code of conduct are made by whom Google /wordpress or Nepal Govt...?
dkdipak: I agree with that , we are at the inital phase of the blogging, but when we reach highly... have we ever imagine about its drawbacks.. and the twist in information
mitmeya: which is a +ve point and also a -ve point too, since some of them r misutilising it
dkdipak: so, in my view.. if we are able to control such blogs from the inital phase then there will be the proper flow of information
mitmeya: agree
mitmeya: with dipak
deepaexcel5: but how?
mitmeya: blog can make revolution in the name of press freedom, but need some kind of monitoring too
mitmeya: dinesh wagle ....blog can be an eg
dkdipak: we can control the blogs.. as some of the sites are resticated in Nepal if the government are able to do
dkdipak: then
deepaexcel5: ok
mitmeya: which has done excellent job after the ku of king gyanendra
dkdipak: but that will be against the freedom
dkdipak: and which is still practiced at china... but that will be criticized highly in Nepal...
mitmeya: the dinesh blog...let all the world know abt the condition of nepal while the press was fully vandalized
mitmeya: so the mean is that the freedom of blog can be utilized in nice manner to convey the message that the press couldn't
rajneeshtimes: It's a new media
rajneeshtimes: Mcquail says that the new media is powerful
rajneeshtimes: because it gives interactivity
rajneeshtimes: but journalism is more serious
rajneeshtimes: more responsible
mitmeya: yaa
mitmeya: agreee with rajneesh
mitmeya: blogging have freedom, if they do work with sincere and responsiblity
rajneeshtimes: LP are u there?
mitmeya: then with that press can convey the msg global
dkdipak: ya
mitmeya: she is out fo phone
dkdipak: absolutely
mitmeya: and to make rule to blogger, i think journalist have to play some kind of role
lpbastola2004: im here back from the one
dkdipak: ok guys I have to move.. sorry but nice talking with you... I want to discuss more.. please let me know about further programs.. so i can manage my time
dkdipak: see you
lpbastola2004: ok Deepak nice to talk in this platform
rajneeshtimes: OK
rajneeshtimes: Amit it was a nice topic
rajneeshtimes: blogging and journalism
rajneeshtimes: there is much debate
mitmeya: thank u
lpbastola2004: yep it was interesting
mitmeya: have to go for official work
mitmeya: sorry
lpbastola2004: thank you Amit for indroducing
rajneeshtimes: and we can discuss on this issue in one of our concerstaion
rajneeshtimes: i have some questions
lpbastola2004: ok
lpbastola2004: pls
rajneeshtimes: can we make this conferance a weekly one or a montly one
rajneeshtimes: i think weekly will be more better?
lpbastola2004: we can make it a fortnighly one
rajneeshtimes: in 15 days right
rajneeshtimes: ok great
rajneeshtimes: that would be fine
lpbastola2004: i am ready even if it is weekly
rajneeshtimes: in every two weeks
lpbastola2004: yep in every two weeks
rajneeshtimes: but it would be fun if we have more participants
rajneeshtimes: OK great
lpbastola2004: so that i can be aware about the press and write articles
rajneeshtimes: OK great
lpbastola2004: lets invite as many as we can
rajneeshtimes: sure
rajneeshtimes: we will do that
rajneeshtimes: i am keeping the whole thing in website
rajneeshtimes: this much for today
rajneeshtimes: i will inform you about this
lpbastola2004: thank you all
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